Excellent breakdown thru various scripture. Thank you Max. All Praise to the Most High the name ABOVE ALL NAMES. OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST!!! ALL MY PRAISE FOR HE!!! I SHALL NEVER WAIVER IN ALL MY DEVOTION AND SERVITUDE.!! I try hard to bring the stray sheep into back into the flock. I have a hard time doing so. It is extremely difficult. I shall never give up!!
On our part, we just do the will of God. If they won't come to the knowledge of the truth, it is between them and God. Don't feel compelled because of their behavior. Shake the dust off your feet and move on to someone more worthy.
So true! I found that out the hard way, by not observing Titus 3:9-11. The more we share the gospel and Jesus, the more they hate us, and get angry. I was reminded, several times, "They cannot be charmed, charming never so wisely", and " and to not cast our pearls before swine. The pearl of great price they have forsaken, and nothing will convince them of the truth. wow! It's so true, and you cannot serve two masters, either you will love the one and hate the other (can't remember, but the transition seems to be permanent.) Even those who once loved Him, turn against him with a passion. Hard to watch especially our loved ones. But watch we must, and shake that dust......the division continues on unabated by truth. "Truth sounds like hate to those who hate the truth."
Have you heard Voddie Baucham’s Revelation series? I think you and Voddie have a lot of common ground on the sequence of end time events. If you haven’t heard it yet, I think you would be blessed and encouraged by it.
a blessing the study you shared. May your week be blessed in Him our Lord
Isaiah 57: 13 - 15
13 When thou criest, let thy companies deliver thee; but the wind shall carry them all away; vanity shall take them: but he that putteth his trust in me shall possess the land, and shall inherit my holy mountain;
14 And shall say, Cast ye up, cast ye up, prepare the way, take up the stumblingblock out of the way of my people.
15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
Thank you brother Max, this is excellent knowledge ! I love the scriptures in Job 14 you give, which lines up with and bears witness with 1 Thessalonians 4 and Matthew 24:29. Found this also which bears witness to the coming of our LORD. God's seal in our forehead's will protect us from his wrath that is coming.
Revelation 7:3
“Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.”
Hello brother! I've been ruminating on this post. I am writing a long dissertation on The Rapture/End Times as well. You raise an interesting point with your quote from Job! I hadn't encountered that. However, while I'm not able to reconcile it yet, I'd be curious on your thoughts of how this view (no rapture/only second coming) deals with "The Day of Christ" vs "The Day of The Lord" as they appear to be two distinct "events"? The Day of Christ is clearly the rapture (or Second coming on your view) but how does that deal with the distinction? From my paper:
"The Day of Christ", it is clearly distinct from "The Day of The Lord" because "The Day of Christ" is always talked about positively, but never negatively (ie. The Day of The Lord is called a day of darkness/trouble and distress/gloominess)" and 2.) Paul describes the Day of Christ in verse one (2 Thessalonians 2) as the time we are "gathered together unto Him”, very clearly the rapture. It's a day we eagerly wait for because it is a “day of rejoicing” 2 Corinthians 1:14! Not like the The Day of The Lord, which we are told in Amos 5:18 is a day we SHOULDN'T desire ("Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD")!
Additionally, how do you deal with the extra 1400 days after the rapture (second coming on your view) from Daniel 8:14? From my paper:
Daniel 8:14 explains the overlap of the great Tribulation and The Day of The Lord obliquely: The temple remains desolate for 6.38 years (a traditional Jewish calendar year has 360 days) but the “Abomination of Desolation” happens at the MIDDLE of the tribulation as stated in Dan 9:27 and Matt 24:15, therefore, we can know that whatever the time period is, it cannot only be 3.5 years. Let me explain this with a visual to make it clearer:
Covenant With Many (Dan 9:27) ==> Abomination of Desolation ==> Wrath (DoTL)
The time period that The temple remains desolate begins at the halfway point of the Tribulation (3.5 years) but lasts 2300 days (6.38 years).
So, to reiterate, The Tribulation is 7 years. The AoD happens at the 3.5 year mark leaving 3.5 years left. But the temple remains desolate for 6.38 years. Therefore, there has to be at least 1400 days after the 7 year Tribulation (2300 - 900 = 1400), as stated in Daniel 8:14. So the question is, what is the purpose of the remaining approximately 3 years? It appears to be the beginning of The Day of The Lord! And this is why The Day of The Lord is a time if great wrath and blessing, as I pointed out earlier!
Eager to hear your thoughts. God bless you brother!
The word "rapture" is not found in the Holy Bible, but it came from the Latin word "raptus" which means "carrying off" in the sense of seizure. We find the words "caught up" according to Paul in this verse:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
Therefore, the idea of a rapture is true, even though the word is not found in the Holy Bible.
Your next question:
Luke 2:11 "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."
Christ is the Lord. The day of Christ is the day of the Lord, and the rapture will be part of the second coming of the Lord in the day of Christ.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."
Notice the "day of Christ" mentioned in verse 2? The definition of the day of Christ is given to us in verse 1 as "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him." The day of the Lord is a day, but it is also a thousand years, because one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (2 Peter 3:8)
Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"
The coming of Jesus Christ is a day of rejoicing because Christ is the blessed hope of every born again believer. Yet, it is also a day of mourning for the wicked (fake Christians included). Except for God's elect who will rejoice at the second coming of Jesus Christ, the day of the Lord will be a terrible day for the whole world.
Amos 5:18 "Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light."
Even fake Christians will desire for second coming of Jesus Christ, but it is not going to be what they imagine it to be. That's why Amos 5:18 says "woe unto you." There is a lot of other things you asked, but I don't think I have time to answer all of them now. However, I don't think we are on the same page regarding the temple and the timeline of the rapture. Previously, I did a post:
This article illustrates much of my view about the end times, the resurrection of the dead, and the rapture of the living. If you are interested to know what I believe about the timeline of end time events, you could have a look. Thanks.
I will definitely read that further brother. Thank you! The last question I'd have is soteriological. What would you classify as a "fake Christian" as you referenced them?
Hello, the scribes and Pharisees in Jesus’ day are examples of fake Christians. Paul used the words “false brethren.” You will read a lot about them in the book of Acts. Basically, they are pretenders, or what the bible calls “hypocrites.” Jesus called the scribes and Pharisees hypocrites over and over in Matthew 23.
I have a question Max.. Who teaches this?.. 'A secret pre-tribulation rapture doctrine taught in dispensationalism?' and 'Dispensationalists believe and teach that Christ shall return secretly to rapture off the gentile church at the onset of the tribulation period, leaving behind the Jews to go through the seven years of great tribulation."
I've never heard of that before. And it does not reflect what the Scriptures teach about the 'upward calling' of the Church. Colloquially known as 'The Rapture'.
First of all, in the Church, there are no Jews, and no Gentiles. (Galatians 3:28) When a man is born again, baptized in the holy spirit, he is now a member of the Body of Christ - a new creation. It is this 'Church' that began on the day of Pentecost, made up of the disciples of the Christ, that are told will be caught away. How can you divide the body of Christ??
The people that the Apocalypse will impact, are those who never received Christ Jesus. Including the Gentiles who have declined him, and the Jews that have refused him. There is no such thing as a 'Messianic Jew'. If a man gets born again, he is called Biblically a Christian.
There is no Church of the Body to be found in the Apocalyptic Scriptures. There will be masses of people converted though during the Great Tribulation, that will decline the mark= which will consequently be martyred and are referred to in Revelation 7. Again, this does not include the Church, whose salvation was in Christ, not in their own martyrdom.
I appreciate your writings. If you are baptized in the holy spirit, ask the Lord 'if these things are so'. There is a lot of misinformation being disseminated about what 'dispensationalists teach'. I SO relate to Charles Parham, who was also disturbed by all the 'doctrinal eschatology' talk, that did not reflect Scripture, but was a result of what false teachers did with truth. In fact, I read a quote of his today which is marvelous.. Listen: "Error would fall of its own weight if not upheld by pillars of truth'.
In other words, In the many false teachings, there is truth to be found, or no one would be deceived at all. For example, what you quoted as false IS altogether false - that the Body of Christ will be divided up; as if to discredit the 'Rapture of Christ's Church'.
There is to be a 'Rapture' (to use the term), of the Born again Church of ->Jews and Gentiles which have become ONE body -VIZ:
(For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (I Corinthians 12:13)
and
'Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, or free, but Christ is all and is in all.' (Colossians 3:11)
AND.... (drumroll)...
"4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:" (Ephesians 3:4-6)
So you see, that anyone takes truth and distorts it, is not to discount the truth that was so abused. Truth is still truth; and it is our job to ask the holy spirit to help us sort it all out.
Hello Victoria, for your question, you may want to check out the teachings from Darby, Scofield and other major dispensationalists. The secret pre-tribulation rapture is a teaching within the framework of dispensationalism. I found a short video from BitChute which explains that quite well:
The prevous church I attended taught the pre-tribulaton rapture from the system of doctrine of dispensationalism, which is one of the reasons why I left that church.
I won't 'check out their teachings' Max. I prefer the 'teaching of the holy spirit'. I had never heard of those men till I came to Substack. There are too many Christians obsessed with whatever error they taught. I prefer truth. And it is a fact that error also prefers truth - as Charles Parham said, without a leg to stand on, no one would believe the lies. I don't know what dispensationalism is either. I do know that the Bible clearly delineates time frames, even naming them.. as in Luke 21:24 'and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.' So then we see there is a period of time of the Gentiles. There was a period of time before the law was given to Moses, and so an accounting by the law was not made. THere was a time before Israel had a king, and everyone did whatever they deemed to be right (Which explains the horrible events in that time period.. "In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.' Judges 21:25. There was also the time when Jesus came, and fulfilled the Levitical law, hanging it upon his cross, else we would still be sacrificing in a temple, and circumsizing our children, and water baptizing adults.. (Oops.. some things are hard to dispense with!).. But I don't see why some Bible students get hung up on 'names'.. dispensationalists.. 'Pre Trib - Post Trib' and so on. The Bible clearly presents a tribulation and a Rapture. The Church epistles refer to this 'upward calling' in Philippians, I Corinthians, and I THessalonians; Titus also encourages us to 'watch for his glorious appearing'. There is no 'prepping' in the Church epistles that could be construed as 'watching for a Great Tribulation'. We are not watching for antichrist. Based on these things, you can't blame us for believing the Rapture will precede the rise of the man of sin. The precise day is unknown, but we also know we have a higher authority in this world than a mere man of sin. Or Jesus lied in Luke 10:19.. Which tells us he has to wait until we're gone or his mission will fail. One of us can chase a thousand.. even antichrists. The man is growing up in England now. He will rise at age 30, mimicking Jesus Christ's ministry age. That gives us a 20+ year window for the Church to leave. A careful study of Revelation makes it painfully clear that it is the fulfillment of all the Old Testament prophesies about Israel. There is no Church of the Body in there. I would respectfully suggest, you read up a bit on Charles Parham, a man who walked in power and authority 100 years ago. He paid no attention to the 'denominations' or theologies popular at his time. Like me.. he just let the holy spirit teach him truth. There can only be one truth, just as One God, One Lord, One Baptism and One faith.. We can only believe the truth is attainable, or the spirit was sent to us in vain.
I think you should look into the Historicist interpretation of prophecy.
Daniels 70 weeks of years ended in 34 AD with the stoning of Stephen.
Matthew 24 is about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ to St. John has been playing out since the 2nd century. All that is left is World War III and a worldwide economic collapse. Then the 7th Trumpet.
For even if I had at my own disposal, tech that could enable me to drive my enemy mad.. I would unequivocally toss that tech into a raging fire. For even tho someone has done me wrong, I find it paramount to allow them equal footing, so to speak.. and if they best me of their own mind or weaponry of their mind solely, then so be it.. I know lines have been crossed by many, whom use things, that have long blurred the lines of what is acceptable.. for me those lines still stand visibly clear as day. For even I in all my anger, do not cross certain "lines" tho it is as if they, can cross over with impunity and no consequences, whenever it suits their desires. Often times consequences do not arrive while in bodily form.. sometimes, it comes at the very moment, we begin our journey to where it is, we have "earned & merited" as we step forward, thru every second of our individual lives..in but one moment..
Max, how do you determine worthiness? If I may ask? I know all are worthy in 1 way or another.. to me anyways. For I do not sit amongst those, that say they are saved. I personally do not view it as such. That one day, your so called saved... much can change in a lifetime. I understand they assume such, and feel the way they do.. for myself it is a much more "earn it by the day mentality" for I relish in nothing. Many people try to put into rational terms " they can understand" to explain how or why someone comes to know the Lord.. with all the technology, and much being for sinister purposes, they imagine in their own minds that they can "implant" the voice of God into people's minds.. I come to know that it 100% is not by anyone's doing, or v2k bs that ever brought me to where I am today per my servitude to my Lord. For I have been on a path for many, many years, and I definitely strayed from it, for several years.. but by his design and my faults, I came back right where I was meant to be! For how one arrives at their destination, matters greatly, to me personally it is of critical nature..For those that meddle with peoples minds,they shall indeed, lose their own minds, its a matter of time. For when they believe, they have stepped inside the doorways of our minds and faith, it is they, who shall realize that it is a cliffs edge they walk off, unbeknownst to them..
I don't determined their worthiness. It is their attitude towards the written word of God that determines their worthiness before the Lord. With the truth, there are only two outcomes: [1] to receive it with the gladness of the heart; [2] to be indifferent or reject it calling it a lie. Our job is only to share the gospel and break down the word of God for the hearer. It is up to the hearer to decide whether the gospel of Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. Their attitude towards the word of God determines the kind of heart they have. Only an “honest and good heart” (Luke 8:11) can receive the seed of the word of God and bring forth fruit with patience. The rest of the types of heart are all unworthy of the truth.
I appreciate your response. Have a great day. Thank you for taking the time..I wanted to hear how u looked upon “worthiness”
I do believe anyone can change!! Anyone can alter their future, not by undoing the past, but by committing to forgiveness and repentance, no man can give or demand…
Would you not agree that it is possible? In there lies my difficulty, trying to help someone who has the door open slightly Even a shred, a slight crack… to me they must not be abandoned. Thanks again.
Our part is to keep preaching to people irrespective of their attitude towards the word of God. However, we must not be hampered by their rejection. What they do with the written word of God is between them and God. We just have to stay neutral and keep sowing the seed wherever we go, per chance, some might repent and turn to the Lord for salvation.
3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
If your implying in any way shape or form that this applies to me, I can assure you it unequivocally does NOT.. I am angry as i’ve ever been. But despite that I help people and show love not my anger to anyone at anytime!!! While i’m alone tho… but then again it depends on what you have endured does it not? I would say we all have been thru much and in no way is it in competition with anyone. I am here for 0 $$ 0 notoriety, and I try to sell nothing!!! I share my wisdom and my artistic ability all in the name of HUMANITY & TRUTH PERIOD.. AND ALL OF IT IS GIVEN TO ME THRU THE BLESSING OF MY LORD.. NOT 1 THING I HAVE DO I EVER CLAIM MY OWN. IVE BEEN POOR FOR MANY YEARS IN THE SYSTEM OF MONIES. HOMELESS AND IN DESPAIR.. ALL THAT ASIDE I AM HERE TO DO WHAT NEEDS BE DONE.. PEACE.
Excellent breakdown thru various scripture. Thank you Max. All Praise to the Most High the name ABOVE ALL NAMES. OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST!!! ALL MY PRAISE FOR HE!!! I SHALL NEVER WAIVER IN ALL MY DEVOTION AND SERVITUDE.!! I try hard to bring the stray sheep into back into the flock. I have a hard time doing so. It is extremely difficult. I shall never give up!!
On our part, we just do the will of God. If they won't come to the knowledge of the truth, it is between them and God. Don't feel compelled because of their behavior. Shake the dust off your feet and move on to someone more worthy.
Psalm 49: 7
7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
So true! I found that out the hard way, by not observing Titus 3:9-11. The more we share the gospel and Jesus, the more they hate us, and get angry. I was reminded, several times, "They cannot be charmed, charming never so wisely", and " and to not cast our pearls before swine. The pearl of great price they have forsaken, and nothing will convince them of the truth. wow! It's so true, and you cannot serve two masters, either you will love the one and hate the other (can't remember, but the transition seems to be permanent.) Even those who once loved Him, turn against him with a passion. Hard to watch especially our loved ones. But watch we must, and shake that dust......the division continues on unabated by truth. "Truth sounds like hate to those who hate the truth."
Excellent Max!!
Have you heard Voddie Baucham’s Revelation series? I think you and Voddie have a lot of common ground on the sequence of end time events. If you haven’t heard it yet, I think you would be blessed and encouraged by it.
No, I haven't. Will check it out. Thanks.
a blessing the study you shared. May your week be blessed in Him our Lord
Isaiah 57: 13 - 15
13 When thou criest, let thy companies deliver thee; but the wind shall carry them all away; vanity shall take them: but he that putteth his trust in me shall possess the land, and shall inherit my holy mountain;
14 And shall say, Cast ye up, cast ye up, prepare the way, take up the stumblingblock out of the way of my people.
15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
Thank you brother Max, this is excellent knowledge ! I love the scriptures in Job 14 you give, which lines up with and bears witness with 1 Thessalonians 4 and Matthew 24:29. Found this also which bears witness to the coming of our LORD. God's seal in our forehead's will protect us from his wrath that is coming.
Revelation 7:3
“Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.”
Love your comments on the pre-Trib theory. I am a solid post Trib, and a non dispensational premill
We share the same eschatology, but I call myself “anti-dispensational.”
Hello brother! I've been ruminating on this post. I am writing a long dissertation on The Rapture/End Times as well. You raise an interesting point with your quote from Job! I hadn't encountered that. However, while I'm not able to reconcile it yet, I'd be curious on your thoughts of how this view (no rapture/only second coming) deals with "The Day of Christ" vs "The Day of The Lord" as they appear to be two distinct "events"? The Day of Christ is clearly the rapture (or Second coming on your view) but how does that deal with the distinction? From my paper:
"The Day of Christ", it is clearly distinct from "The Day of The Lord" because "The Day of Christ" is always talked about positively, but never negatively (ie. The Day of The Lord is called a day of darkness/trouble and distress/gloominess)" and 2.) Paul describes the Day of Christ in verse one (2 Thessalonians 2) as the time we are "gathered together unto Him”, very clearly the rapture. It's a day we eagerly wait for because it is a “day of rejoicing” 2 Corinthians 1:14! Not like the The Day of The Lord, which we are told in Amos 5:18 is a day we SHOULDN'T desire ("Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD")!
Additionally, how do you deal with the extra 1400 days after the rapture (second coming on your view) from Daniel 8:14? From my paper:
Daniel 8:14 explains the overlap of the great Tribulation and The Day of The Lord obliquely: The temple remains desolate for 6.38 years (a traditional Jewish calendar year has 360 days) but the “Abomination of Desolation” happens at the MIDDLE of the tribulation as stated in Dan 9:27 and Matt 24:15, therefore, we can know that whatever the time period is, it cannot only be 3.5 years. Let me explain this with a visual to make it clearer:
Covenant With Many (Dan 9:27) ==> Abomination of Desolation ==> Wrath (DoTL)
The time period that The temple remains desolate begins at the halfway point of the Tribulation (3.5 years) but lasts 2300 days (6.38 years).
So, to reiterate, The Tribulation is 7 years. The AoD happens at the 3.5 year mark leaving 3.5 years left. But the temple remains desolate for 6.38 years. Therefore, there has to be at least 1400 days after the 7 year Tribulation (2300 - 900 = 1400), as stated in Daniel 8:14. So the question is, what is the purpose of the remaining approximately 3 years? It appears to be the beginning of The Day of The Lord! And this is why The Day of The Lord is a time if great wrath and blessing, as I pointed out earlier!
Eager to hear your thoughts. God bless you brother!
Hello,
The word "rapture" is not found in the Holy Bible, but it came from the Latin word "raptus" which means "carrying off" in the sense of seizure. We find the words "caught up" according to Paul in this verse:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
Therefore, the idea of a rapture is true, even though the word is not found in the Holy Bible.
Your next question:
Luke 2:11 "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."
Christ is the Lord. The day of Christ is the day of the Lord, and the rapture will be part of the second coming of the Lord in the day of Christ.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."
Notice the "day of Christ" mentioned in verse 2? The definition of the day of Christ is given to us in verse 1 as "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him." The day of the Lord is a day, but it is also a thousand years, because one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (2 Peter 3:8)
Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"
The coming of Jesus Christ is a day of rejoicing because Christ is the blessed hope of every born again believer. Yet, it is also a day of mourning for the wicked (fake Christians included). Except for God's elect who will rejoice at the second coming of Jesus Christ, the day of the Lord will be a terrible day for the whole world.
Amos 5:18 "Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light."
Even fake Christians will desire for second coming of Jesus Christ, but it is not going to be what they imagine it to be. That's why Amos 5:18 says "woe unto you." There is a lot of other things you asked, but I don't think I have time to answer all of them now. However, I don't think we are on the same page regarding the temple and the timeline of the rapture. Previously, I did a post:
The Last Days (Acts 2:17)
https://willyealsogoaway.substack.com/p/the-last-days-acts-217
This article illustrates much of my view about the end times, the resurrection of the dead, and the rapture of the living. If you are interested to know what I believe about the timeline of end time events, you could have a look. Thanks.
I will definitely read that further brother. Thank you! The last question I'd have is soteriological. What would you classify as a "fake Christian" as you referenced them?
Hello, the scribes and Pharisees in Jesus’ day are examples of fake Christians. Paul used the words “false brethren.” You will read a lot about them in the book of Acts. Basically, they are pretenders, or what the bible calls “hypocrites.” Jesus called the scribes and Pharisees hypocrites over and over in Matthew 23.
I have a question Max.. Who teaches this?.. 'A secret pre-tribulation rapture doctrine taught in dispensationalism?' and 'Dispensationalists believe and teach that Christ shall return secretly to rapture off the gentile church at the onset of the tribulation period, leaving behind the Jews to go through the seven years of great tribulation."
I've never heard of that before. And it does not reflect what the Scriptures teach about the 'upward calling' of the Church. Colloquially known as 'The Rapture'.
First of all, in the Church, there are no Jews, and no Gentiles. (Galatians 3:28) When a man is born again, baptized in the holy spirit, he is now a member of the Body of Christ - a new creation. It is this 'Church' that began on the day of Pentecost, made up of the disciples of the Christ, that are told will be caught away. How can you divide the body of Christ??
The people that the Apocalypse will impact, are those who never received Christ Jesus. Including the Gentiles who have declined him, and the Jews that have refused him. There is no such thing as a 'Messianic Jew'. If a man gets born again, he is called Biblically a Christian.
There is no Church of the Body to be found in the Apocalyptic Scriptures. There will be masses of people converted though during the Great Tribulation, that will decline the mark= which will consequently be martyred and are referred to in Revelation 7. Again, this does not include the Church, whose salvation was in Christ, not in their own martyrdom.
I appreciate your writings. If you are baptized in the holy spirit, ask the Lord 'if these things are so'. There is a lot of misinformation being disseminated about what 'dispensationalists teach'. I SO relate to Charles Parham, who was also disturbed by all the 'doctrinal eschatology' talk, that did not reflect Scripture, but was a result of what false teachers did with truth. In fact, I read a quote of his today which is marvelous.. Listen: "Error would fall of its own weight if not upheld by pillars of truth'.
In other words, In the many false teachings, there is truth to be found, or no one would be deceived at all. For example, what you quoted as false IS altogether false - that the Body of Christ will be divided up; as if to discredit the 'Rapture of Christ's Church'.
There is to be a 'Rapture' (to use the term), of the Born again Church of ->Jews and Gentiles which have become ONE body -VIZ:
(For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (I Corinthians 12:13)
and
'Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, or free, but Christ is all and is in all.' (Colossians 3:11)
AND.... (drumroll)...
"4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:" (Ephesians 3:4-6)
So you see, that anyone takes truth and distorts it, is not to discount the truth that was so abused. Truth is still truth; and it is our job to ask the holy spirit to help us sort it all out.
Hello Victoria, for your question, you may want to check out the teachings from Darby, Scofield and other major dispensationalists. The secret pre-tribulation rapture is a teaching within the framework of dispensationalism. I found a short video from BitChute which explains that quite well:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YmrgTMG5JXay6kultznxmHjAJjGhvJkg/view?usp=drivesdk
The prevous church I attended taught the pre-tribulaton rapture from the system of doctrine of dispensationalism, which is one of the reasons why I left that church.
I won't 'check out their teachings' Max. I prefer the 'teaching of the holy spirit'. I had never heard of those men till I came to Substack. There are too many Christians obsessed with whatever error they taught. I prefer truth. And it is a fact that error also prefers truth - as Charles Parham said, without a leg to stand on, no one would believe the lies. I don't know what dispensationalism is either. I do know that the Bible clearly delineates time frames, even naming them.. as in Luke 21:24 'and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.' So then we see there is a period of time of the Gentiles. There was a period of time before the law was given to Moses, and so an accounting by the law was not made. THere was a time before Israel had a king, and everyone did whatever they deemed to be right (Which explains the horrible events in that time period.. "In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.' Judges 21:25. There was also the time when Jesus came, and fulfilled the Levitical law, hanging it upon his cross, else we would still be sacrificing in a temple, and circumsizing our children, and water baptizing adults.. (Oops.. some things are hard to dispense with!).. But I don't see why some Bible students get hung up on 'names'.. dispensationalists.. 'Pre Trib - Post Trib' and so on. The Bible clearly presents a tribulation and a Rapture. The Church epistles refer to this 'upward calling' in Philippians, I Corinthians, and I THessalonians; Titus also encourages us to 'watch for his glorious appearing'. There is no 'prepping' in the Church epistles that could be construed as 'watching for a Great Tribulation'. We are not watching for antichrist. Based on these things, you can't blame us for believing the Rapture will precede the rise of the man of sin. The precise day is unknown, but we also know we have a higher authority in this world than a mere man of sin. Or Jesus lied in Luke 10:19.. Which tells us he has to wait until we're gone or his mission will fail. One of us can chase a thousand.. even antichrists. The man is growing up in England now. He will rise at age 30, mimicking Jesus Christ's ministry age. That gives us a 20+ year window for the Church to leave. A careful study of Revelation makes it painfully clear that it is the fulfillment of all the Old Testament prophesies about Israel. There is no Church of the Body in there. I would respectfully suggest, you read up a bit on Charles Parham, a man who walked in power and authority 100 years ago. He paid no attention to the 'denominations' or theologies popular at his time. Like me.. he just let the holy spirit teach him truth. There can only be one truth, just as One God, One Lord, One Baptism and One faith.. We can only believe the truth is attainable, or the spirit was sent to us in vain.
I think you should look into the Historicist interpretation of prophecy.
Daniels 70 weeks of years ended in 34 AD with the stoning of Stephen.
Matthew 24 is about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ to St. John has been playing out since the 2nd century. All that is left is World War III and a worldwide economic collapse. Then the 7th Trumpet.
Check out this website for more details:
https://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/
Or this video series:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMV1A56bZ4_JrHHpRcHzd4WnwHqtFFdLN
Or this one:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLY8Cq8enpfGfD_9b9cfcgCWhdYWUNNZq7
For even if I had at my own disposal, tech that could enable me to drive my enemy mad.. I would unequivocally toss that tech into a raging fire. For even tho someone has done me wrong, I find it paramount to allow them equal footing, so to speak.. and if they best me of their own mind or weaponry of their mind solely, then so be it.. I know lines have been crossed by many, whom use things, that have long blurred the lines of what is acceptable.. for me those lines still stand visibly clear as day. For even I in all my anger, do not cross certain "lines" tho it is as if they, can cross over with impunity and no consequences, whenever it suits their desires. Often times consequences do not arrive while in bodily form.. sometimes, it comes at the very moment, we begin our journey to where it is, we have "earned & merited" as we step forward, thru every second of our individual lives..in but one moment..
Max, how do you determine worthiness? If I may ask? I know all are worthy in 1 way or another.. to me anyways. For I do not sit amongst those, that say they are saved. I personally do not view it as such. That one day, your so called saved... much can change in a lifetime. I understand they assume such, and feel the way they do.. for myself it is a much more "earn it by the day mentality" for I relish in nothing. Many people try to put into rational terms " they can understand" to explain how or why someone comes to know the Lord.. with all the technology, and much being for sinister purposes, they imagine in their own minds that they can "implant" the voice of God into people's minds.. I come to know that it 100% is not by anyone's doing, or v2k bs that ever brought me to where I am today per my servitude to my Lord. For I have been on a path for many, many years, and I definitely strayed from it, for several years.. but by his design and my faults, I came back right where I was meant to be! For how one arrives at their destination, matters greatly, to me personally it is of critical nature..For those that meddle with peoples minds,they shall indeed, lose their own minds, its a matter of time. For when they believe, they have stepped inside the doorways of our minds and faith, it is they, who shall realize that it is a cliffs edge they walk off, unbeknownst to them..
I don't determined their worthiness. It is their attitude towards the written word of God that determines their worthiness before the Lord. With the truth, there are only two outcomes: [1] to receive it with the gladness of the heart; [2] to be indifferent or reject it calling it a lie. Our job is only to share the gospel and break down the word of God for the hearer. It is up to the hearer to decide whether the gospel of Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. Their attitude towards the word of God determines the kind of heart they have. Only an “honest and good heart” (Luke 8:11) can receive the seed of the word of God and bring forth fruit with patience. The rest of the types of heart are all unworthy of the truth.
I appreciate your response. Have a great day. Thank you for taking the time..I wanted to hear how u looked upon “worthiness”
I do believe anyone can change!! Anyone can alter their future, not by undoing the past, but by committing to forgiveness and repentance, no man can give or demand…
Would you not agree that it is possible? In there lies my difficulty, trying to help someone who has the door open slightly Even a shred, a slight crack… to me they must not be abandoned. Thanks again.
Our part is to keep preaching to people irrespective of their attitude towards the word of God. However, we must not be hampered by their rejection. What they do with the written word of God is between them and God. We just have to stay neutral and keep sowing the seed wherever we go, per chance, some might repent and turn to the Lord for salvation.
1 Timothy 6: 3 -6
3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
If your implying in any way shape or form that this applies to me, I can assure you it unequivocally does NOT.. I am angry as i’ve ever been. But despite that I help people and show love not my anger to anyone at anytime!!! While i’m alone tho… but then again it depends on what you have endured does it not? I would say we all have been thru much and in no way is it in competition with anyone. I am here for 0 $$ 0 notoriety, and I try to sell nothing!!! I share my wisdom and my artistic ability all in the name of HUMANITY & TRUTH PERIOD.. AND ALL OF IT IS GIVEN TO ME THRU THE BLESSING OF MY LORD.. NOT 1 THING I HAVE DO I EVER CLAIM MY OWN. IVE BEEN POOR FOR MANY YEARS IN THE SYSTEM OF MONIES. HOMELESS AND IN DESPAIR.. ALL THAT ASIDE I AM HERE TO DO WHAT NEEDS BE DONE.. PEACE.